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Name that critter

Started by AnimalToyForum, December 14, 2012, 01:33:58 PM

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little koala

Thank you bmathison1972!

OK, here were go - what are these?



Badger

Well, they're sand dollars/sea biscuits of some kind. If necessary, I'll let one of the next few posters be more specific.
(a.k.a. Ravonium, on the DTF and STS)

little koala

Hey Badger,

You're spot on! No need to be more specific. That means it's your turn to post a picture for us to have a guess at what it is.  :)

Isidro

Found them, they are Dendraster excentricus.

Badger

(a.k.a. Ravonium, on the DTF and STS)

little koala

Quote from: Isidro on July 15, 2018, 06:58:39 AM
Found them, they are Dendraster excentricus.
You're right Isidro, thanks!

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Isidro

It reminded me somewhat a young tigerfish, so I'm pointing in the right direction with an African tetra (Alestidae)?


Badger

#248
Quote from: animaltoyforum on July 15, 2018, 01:34:51 PM
Oh oh oh, I know this one!

It's a fish!

;DYes, little Jonny, it's a fish. Now you can have your freetime! ;D


Quote from: Isidro on July 15, 2018, 02:50:06 PM
It reminded me somewhat a young tigerfish, so I'm pointing in the right direction with an African tetra (Alestidae)?

Nope, not even close: For one, it's a fish from a temperate area, and it isn't closely related.

If it helps, here is a (possibly) less confusing photo:
[image deleted]
(a.k.a. Ravonium, on the DTF and STS)

AnimalToyForum

Quote from: Badger on July 15, 2018, 03:39:53 PM
Quote from: animaltoyforum on July 15, 2018, 01:34:51 PM
Oh oh oh, I know this one!

It's a fish!

;DYes, little Jonny, it's a fish. Now you can have your freetime! ;D


Quote from: Isidro on July 15, 2018, 02:50:06 PM
It reminded me somewhat a young tigerfish, so I'm pointing in the right direction with an African tetra (Alestidae)?

Nope, not even close: For one, it's a fish from a temperate area, and it isn't closely related.

If it helps, here is a (possibly) less confusing photo:


The picture is a bit small, do you have a larger version?



sbell

Quote from: Badger on July 15, 2018, 03:39:53 PM
Quote from: animaltoyforum on July 15, 2018, 01:34:51 PM
Oh oh oh, I know this one!

It's a fish!

;DYes, little Jonny, it's a fish. Now you can have your freetime! ;D


Quote from: Isidro on July 15, 2018, 02:50:06 PM
It reminded me somewhat a young tigerfish, so I'm pointing in the right direction with an African tetra (Alestidae)?

Nope, not even close: For one, it's a fish from a temperate area, and it isn't closely related.

If it helps, here is a (possibly) less confusing photo:


My first thought is gizzard shad or something similar.

Badger

No.

I don't have a larger version of that specific image, but here is a different larger image.

(a.k.a. Ravonium, on the DTF and STS)

Isidro

Oh, that last drawing is very clearing and eye-opening! Now I see that it must be a Coregonus sp. The problem is... which one?

Badger

#253
Quote from: Isidro on July 18, 2018, 07:30:18 AM
Oh, that last drawing is very clearing and eye-opening! Now I see that it must be a Coregonus sp. The problem is... which one?

Yes, it is a Coregonus sp.

As for the species, there are actually 2 possible answers I'll accept, as one of the answers is considered by some to be synomynous with the other.

A hint for one of the answers; one of the common names for this species is misleading, as it is considered VU on the IUCN Red List.
(a.k.a. Ravonium, on the DTF and STS)

Isidro

With these hints it's impossible to not find it!
Of the 13 species of Coregonus that are classified as Vulnerable in IUCN, only 3 have a possible double-answer due to synonymy or taxonomic confusion:
Coregonus confusus has been considered conspecific with Coregonus candidus (both are VU)
Coregonus lavaretus is a name widely used for all Eurasian Coregonus in the past
Coregonus maraena is still locally called Coregonus lavaretus

For the two firts I didn't found none of your images, but for the thirs, while I can't find the two photos, I've found the drawing. Hence, it is Coregonus maraena.

AnimalToyForum

Quote from: Isidro on July 18, 2018, 07:30:18 AM
Oh, that last drawing is very clearing and eye-opening! Now I see that it must be a Coregonus sp. The problem is... which one?

Honest question - how can you tell? What is the giveaway characteristic of this genus?




Badger

#256
Quote from: Isidro on July 18, 2018, 10:26:26 AM
For the two firts I didn't found none of your images, but for the thirs, while I can't find the two photos, I've found the drawing. Hence, it is Coregonus maraena.

Debatably correct.

The answer that I implied was supposed to be C. lavaretus, but as you point out, C. maraena is still locally considered the aforomentioned species.

The other answer I would have initially accepted was C. pennantii, which is widely considered a synonym of C. lavaretus. You get to pick the next species, mostly because you were the only one that recognised it even at genus level.


EDIT:

Quote from: Isidro on July 18, 2018, 10:26:26 AM
With these hints it's impossible to not find it!
Of the 13 species of Coregonus that are classified as Vulnerable in IUCN, only 3 have a possible double-answer due to synonymy or taxonomic confusion

I meant that only one of the species in the double answer had a misleading name, because it was Vunerable in IUCN.

EDIT 2: Although, well done for over-analysing it even further than I intended.
(a.k.a. Ravonium, on the DTF and STS)

Isidro

Ah, that's why I never would find it, because Coregonus pennantii is not Vulnerable, it's Critically Endangered.

@animaltoyforum I almost never identify animals and plants by concrete features, but by the general looking and what I know in my memory. The first photo gave me a very vague impression of alestid characin, the drawing however gave me a very clear impression of a Coregonus.

Well, this will be my first photo n the thread. And an easy one, I hope:

Badger

Is it a Vancouver Island Marmot?
(a.k.a. Ravonium, on the DTF and STS)

Isidro