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Pelecaniformes - Herons, Ibises, Spoonbills, Pelicans, Shoebill and Hamerkop

Started by brontodocus, September 11, 2016, 01:47:31 PM

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brontodocus

Walk-around of the CollectA Wild Life Shoebill, Balaeniceps rex Gould, 1850; item No. 88763, new for 2016. Finally, there is a good shoebill figure by a major toy figure company that is easily obtainable (the species has been featured by several Japanese companies before, including the rare Phat! Doki Doki Doubutu Shoebill). Standing height of the figure without base is approx. 77 mm and bill length is 16 mm so the scale is between approx. 1:12 and 1:15. Human figure (South American Father by Miniland "Los Amigos del Mundo") is approx. 1:13 - 1:14 scale. The global population of this unique bird is decreasing and it has been estimated that only approx. 3300 to 3500 mature individuals are remaining. As a consequence, IUCN lists the species as "Vulnerable".













Comparison with the Phat! Doki Doki Shoebill:


Edit 2017-02-04: Fixed broken image urls.

Jetoar

Definetly, I want this figure in my collection. Shoebill is really strange and atractive at the same time  ^-^.
My website: Paleo-Creatures
My website's facebook: Paleo-Creatures

postsaurischian

Very nice walk around! I really like this premiere non-Japanese figure, although the paintjob could be a bit better.
                                                             :) Here's my little Shoebill family:

                                 1. OOAK made by Harriet Knibbs   2. Phat! Doki Doki Doubutu Series
                                        3. CollectA   4. Kaiyodo - CapsuleQ Unique Animal Zoo vol.2
                              5. Eikoh Miniatureplanet   6. Kaiyodo - CapsuleQ Unique Animal Zoo vol.1

               

brontodocus

Many thanks, Jetoar and Helge! :) That's a great comparison shot that shows those CapsuleQ Shoebills seem to be bigger than I had expected. :o :)

brontodocus


postsaurischian


This thread is about the order of these medium-sized and large waterbirds that have feet with all four toes webbed.
The Pelecaniformes consists of the families .....

-  Ardeidae (herons)
-  Threskiornithidae (ibises and spoonbills)
-  Scopidae (Hamerkop)
-  Pelecanidae (pelicans)
-  Balaenicipitidae (Shoebill)

:)  I hope I'm going to see some of these here. I'm starting with the few I have.

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                                                                              Nipponia nippon  -  Crested Ibis

                                                                                 Kaiyodo, the Study Room (left)
                                                      TAKARA TOMY A.R.T.S - Eternal lost breeds, Extinct animal (middle)
                                                                 Kaiyodo, Natural Monuments of Japan No.02 (right)


                         



                                                                                 Balaeniceps rex  -  Shoebill

                                                                       1. Phat! Doki Doki Doubutu Series   2. CollectA
                                                  3. Kaiyodo - CapsuleQ Unique Animal Zoo vol.1   4. Eikoh Miniatureplanet
                                                  5. Kaiyodo - CapsuleQ Unique Animal Zoo vol.2   6. OOAK made by Harriet


widukind

Very interesting. I have also any and also the only hamerkop that i know. A small and more flat white plastic figurine by Fanta.

bmathison1972

Great threads to start Helge. Alas I cannot contribute to them, but I look forward to them being added to!

AcroSauroTaurus

The only one I have so far.

Figure:
Schleich White Pelican (open mouth)
I am the Dinosaur King!

widukind


pelicans (Nayab, K&M, AAA, Elastolin, Schleich, S&N, Safari Ltd, unknown)


Storks (shoebill =Phat, Marabus= Starlux, Noahs Pals, Lineol, oriental stork by Kaiyodo, Jabiru= Yowies UK and white stork unknown and flying Nayab)


Cranes, Heron, Ibisses..... (K&M, Starlux, Bandai, Kaiyodo, Bullyland, Nayab, CollectA, Dollhouse Miniatures, handmade, Safari Ltd, Elastolin, unknown)


Margarine birds



vintage Hong Kong and Fanta water birds



Eikoh shoebill



Kaiyodo spoonbill



Papo Flamingo and Marabou



Starlux and Vitacup






Some figurines are wrong here i know. But they are only copied from STS water birds

postsaurischian

Wow! That's a lot. I like especially the monochrome oldies :).

I know birds' taxonomy is very complicated (and under constant change). I had planned to do other threads for cranes or flamingos or storks, but first I have to learn about their orders and families ... and as you wrote, this will take some time. But we should make time for that.
It would also be nice (and kind of important) to name the figures.

postsaurischian


                                                     Another Pelican by Schleich (with its mouth closed)

                   

postsaurischian

Sorry, triple post :-[ ;D.

@ widukind: It would be cool if you could erase your Flamingo pictures here
                    and put it there instead: http://animaltoyforum.com/index.php?topic=2056.0  :)

animaltoyforum

This is on my wants list. Especially because one of the type specimens (cotype) of B. rex is on display in the museum where I work. 8)


bmathison1972


Isidro

Quote from: postsaurischian on March 21, 2017, 08:41:49 PM
This thread is about the order of these medium-sized and large waterbirds that have feet with all four toes webbed.

Medium-sized and large waterbirds that have feet with all four toes webbed = Pelecaniformes sensu classico (or sensu logic), or what I would call the true Pelecaniformes. So, families Phaetontidae, Pelecanidae, Sulidae, Phalacrocoracidae, Anhingidae and Fregatidae. They also share a gular sac and other features typical of this order.

Quote from: postsaurischian on March 21, 2017, 08:41:49 PM-  Ardeidae (herons)
-  Threskiornithidae (ibises and spoonbills)
-  Scopidae (Hamerkop)
-  Pelecanidae (pelicans)
-  Balaenicipitidae (Shoebill)

These are the Pelecaniformes sensu molecular "taxonomy", blindly accepted by every official source now, but not by me certainly! None of them have webbed feet except the Pelecanidae ;) with the remaining families falling in order Ciconiiformes according to classic or logic taxonomy done and accepted by exhaustive science before the invention of the molecular religion :)

Isidro

Quote from: widukind on March 22, 2017, 01:13:21 PM
Cranes, Heron, Ibisses..... (K&M, Starlux, Bandai, Kaiyodo, Bullyland, Nayab, CollectA, Dollhouse Miniatures, handmade, Safari Ltd, Elastolin, unknown)

Some wonderful things here! What are the brands of this fabulous night-heron, the Southern bald ibis!!! (I was totally unaware of this species being made into figurine) and the hooded crane?

bmathison1972

Quote from: Isidro on March 14, 2019, 01:47:16 PM
Quote from: postsaurischian on March 21, 2017, 08:41:49 PM
This thread is about the order of these medium-sized and large waterbirds that have feet with all four toes webbed.

Medium-sized and large waterbirds that have feet with all four toes webbed = Pelecaniformes sensu classico (or sensu logic), or what I would call the true Pelecaniformes. So, families Phaetontidae, Pelecanidae, Sulidae, Phalacrocoracidae, Anhingidae and Fregatidae. They also share a gular sac and other features typical of this order.

Quote from: postsaurischian on March 21, 2017, 08:41:49 PM-  Ardeidae (herons)
-  Threskiornithidae (ibises and spoonbills)
-  Scopidae (Hamerkop)
-  Pelecanidae (pelicans)
-  Balaenicipitidae (Shoebill)

These are the Pelecaniformes sensu molecular "taxonomy", blindly accepted by every official source now, but not by me certainly! None of them have webbed feet except the Pelecanidae ;) with the remaining families falling in order Ciconiiformes according to classic or logic taxonomy done and accepted by exhaustive science before the invention of the molecular religion :)

While I am a classic morphologist, I can appreciate molecular taxonomy. Neither morphology nor molecular should be 'blindly' supported alone. And I am a firm believer that a 'genotype' should have a corresponding 'phenotype'. In this case, webbed feet are clearly not a monophyletic trait, as they are seen in the ducks and geese as well. The gular sac is more supportive then webbed feet.

Isidro

Quote from: bmathison1972 on March 14, 2019, 02:17:35 PM
While I am a classic morphologist, I can appreciate molecular taxonomy. Neither morphology nor molecular should be 'blindly' supported alone.

Same for me. I consider molecular phylogeny as one more of the useful traits that help to define a taxon - together with morphology, biochemistry, biogeography or even ethology, phenology, etc. If I talked about blind acceptance is because the modern taxonomy (not just for birds, but for everything) consist in accept exclusively molecular one (that can be done by any person with informatic knowledge with a program for making cladograms with gene sequences, so no need of scientific knowledge for that) with total exclusion of any other traits :P

Quote from: bmathison1972 on March 14, 2019, 02:17:35 PMIn this case, webbed feet are clearly not a monophyletic trait, as they are seen in the ducks and geese as well. The gular sac is more supportive then webbed feet.

Read again my friend :) We're not talking about just webbed feet. We're talkin about all four toes webbed. This is a trait shared by all the Pelecaniformes sensu classico (so, including "Phaetontiformes" and "Suliformes") and not with any other bird with webbed feet, all of which have only three toes webbed, with the posterior toe not webbed.
And of course, the "modern taxonomy" Pelecaniformes (so: pelicans plus all the "classic taxonomy" Ciconiiiformes except the Ciconiidae) don't have even webbed feet, except for the pelicans.

In the images of this thread I see also a lot of birds that never has been considered Pelecaniformes under none taxonomic viewpont, such as ducks, cranes and even a kookaburra...

bmathison1972

Oh sorry missed the 'four' part LOL

with regards to other birds that are not Pelicaniformes, some people just cross-post group images of their birds, and the image may contain Pelicaniformes and non-Pelicaniformes (I know widukind often does group shots that are not necessarily phylogenically related).  Those might be older images for some other group purpose (such as a SUY on STS). While it would be nice if people actually took the time to select the figures for the specific taxa, sometimes it's easier to just reuse older images that may contain other taxa.