Recruiting help for some fish IDs

[Saarlooswolfhound]

Hello! I have a number of fish I am unsure of the identification for. These are all marine species (I think) and many are of common reef dwelling types. I understand the basic ideas of family groups (like clown fish vs. angel fish etc.) and I am not looking to force a model to fit any particular species if it isn't a dead ringer for one- just a group ID of some sort would be helpful. I just don't know enough about the idiosyncrasies to be effective at doing it myself. Lastly, I also am aware that many real reef fish do hybridize and that artistic representations may not be 100% faithful.

I am just looking for IDs to assign that are as specific as they can be within reason of what the model presents.  Any thoughts are appreciated and helpful!

[sbell]

Hello! I have a number of fish I am unsure of the identification for. These are all marine species (I think) and many are of common reef dwelling types. I understand the basic ideas of family groups (like clown fish vs. angel fish etc.) and I am not looking to force a model to fit any particular species if it isn't a dead ringer for one- just a group ID of some sort would be helpful. I just don't know enough about the idiosyncrasies to be effective at doing it myself. Lastly, I also am aware that many real reef fish do hybridize and that artistic representations may not be 100% faithful.

I am just looking for IDs to assign that are as specific as they can be within reason of what the model presents.  Any thoughts are appreciated and helpful!

For some reason the photo isn't showing.

Reef fish aren't my usual thing but I'd give it a shot if I could see them!

EDIT - okay, now they show up. I'll take a look later and see what I can do!

[bmathison1972]

Here is a stab for the first pic. ALL of these are based on other figres that were marketed at the species level, even if some have been stylized:

Top pic:

Left to right, top to bottom:

1. Moorish idol, Zanclus cornutus
2. Moorish idol
3. See 20, below
4. Forceps butterflyfish, Forcipiger flavissimus [probably, loosely]
5.
6. Moorish idol
7. Raccoon butterflyfish, Chaetodon lunula [?] or maybe Threadfin butterflyfish, Chaetodon Auriga [?]
8. Copperband butterflyfish, Chelmon rostratus [based on Animal Planet model]
9. Northern scythemarked butterflyfish, Prognathodes falcifer
10. Forceps butterflyfish, Forcipiger flavissimus
11. Hooded butterflyfish, Chaetodon larvatus [based on Animal Planet or AAA model]
12. Hooded butterflyfish, Chaetodon larvatus [based on Club Earth model]
13. Blackwedged butterflyfish, Chaetodon falcula [based on Learning Resources figure]
14. Moorish idol
15. loosely based on threadfin (see 16, below)
16. Threadfin butterflyfish, Chaetodon auriga
17. Moorish idol [?]
18. Bluering angelfish, Pomacanthus annularis
19. Flame angelfish, Centropyge loricula
20. Not sure, but maybe loosely based on the teardrop butterflyfish, Chaetodon unimaculatus
21. See 20, above
22.
23. Moorish idol
24. Foxface rabbitfish, Siganus vulpinus
25. Moorish idol (TAI has a similar Animal Planet figure as the pennent coralfish, but I don't agree with that ID)
26.
27.
28. Hooded butterflyfish
29. Forceps butterflyfish
30. Copperband butterflyfish, Chelmon rostratus [based on Animal Planet model]
31.

[bmathison1972]

Here is the start of the second pic, all I have time for, for now. Again, most of these are based on other figures identified at the species level:

Second pic:

Top Row:
1. Flame angelfish (see Animal Planet)
2. Flame angelfish (see Learning Resources)
3. loosely based on Red Sea clownfish, see 6, below
4. Flame angelfish (?)
5. clownfish, sp.
6. Red Sea clownfish, Amphiprion bicintus (see Club Earth)

Second Row:
1. Semicircled angelfish, Pomacanthus semicirculatus
2. Semicircled angelfish (see Play Visions)
3. Regal tang, Paracanthurus hepatus
4. Regal tang
5. Powder blue tang, Acanthurus leucosternon
6. Powder blue tang

Third Row:
1-3. Longfin fairywrasse, Cirrhilabrus rubriventralis [see Learning resources]
4.
5. Blacktail dascyllus, Dascyllus melanurus [see Animal Planet or Club Earth]
6.
7-8. yellowstriped fairy basslet, Pseudanthias tuka [my ID; based on Play Visions 'wrasse'

[Saarlooswolfhound]

Thank you @bmathison1972 and @sbell! Any thoughts or ideas on what these are will really help me catalog them. My expectations are low of course, but anything is better than nothing!

[bmathison1972]

More...

Second pic, bottom row:
1. Red Sea clownfish
2. Regal Tang
3. Common clownfish, Amphiprion ocellaris (Nemo!)
4. Powder Blue Tang
5. gurnard, Chelidonichthys sp.
6. anglerfish, gen. sp.
7. Blue-green Damselfish, Chromis viridis [see Learning Resources]

The figure immediately above the C. viridis is another Royal Tang. The red fish with the blue spots above that tang is probably the coral grouper, Cephalopholis miniata, based on the Yujin and subsequent models.

BTW, TAI has the Club Earth clownfish as a Red Sea clownfish, but the Animal Planet 'knockoff' of it as a Clark's Anemonefish. They are probably all Red Sea, based on the Club Earth original.

[Saarlooswolfhound]

Thank you Blaine for your detailed IDs and explanations where necessary. It helps a ton!

I am still open to any further suggestions as I try to navigate how to keep records on these guys. Feel free to throw your thoughts down here! Thanks again everyone. 

[bmathison1972]

Most of my IDs are based on figures that were marketed as those species. Companies tend to copy/influence one another (Club Earth, Play Visions, Animal Planet, Learning Resources, etc.) and you can see slight variations between figures based on a central design/pattern. Same phenomenon with butterfly figures.

[sbell]

I still haven't had a chance -- I recognize a lot of those middle ones in photo two, but need the time to dig.

I know the green one with orange stripes in the middle was marketed as 'gourami' by Prior, but not aware of any with those colours.

Below it is a redtail shark Labeo bicolor, also by Prior. Or one of several similar species

[Saarlooswolfhound]

No worries @sbell! This is in no way time sensitive. My next collection category just deals with my fish figures so I am trying to think of how to group them for photos and additionally update my records for them. Whenever you have time! No big deal.

And @bmathison1972, a lot of them are essentially the same! This phenomenon is an intriguing thing to think over nonetheless.

[bmathison1972]

One correction, number 17 in the first pic (3rd row, far right) might be a pennant coralfish rather than a Moorish idol (but stylized if so)

[sbell]

One correction, number 17 in the first pic (3rd row, far right) might be a pennant coralfish rather than a Moorish idol (but stylized if so)

That's not uncommon in fish figures.

Also not uncommon? Normal fish sculpt, completely made up colours