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Hi all, so as is not a surprise, I like my fish models. I have many, and have a certain type that I usually collect.

However, I also have a habit of getting all 'taxonomic' when I collect (I'm not necessarily a 'set' completist. but I do like my cladograms filled out...), and there are certain groups for which I have nothing--and also can't seem to find anything! Even the TAI doesn't list for (almost) any of them...of course, I have issues with the TAI groupings, but that's just me and my craziness!

I also know that many fish are missing, so I'm hoping that I just don't know about/haven't found some yet.

So first, the only one I have found a record of:

Beloniformes--I would really like a needlefish figure; the only one I know of is the MPC. Which is nice enough, but monochrome and costs too much for a small plastic fish. Any others?

(Okay, now it gets esoteric):

1) [strike]Alepocephaliformes (smoothheads, slickheads, tubeshoulders, etc) (formerly part of Osmeriiformes but apparently not so muych anymore...recently separated far from them in Alepocephali)[/strike] FOUND!

2) 'Anotophysans' = Gonorhychiformes. Milkfish, Shellear, Kneria, Hingemouth and...others

3) Lepidogalaxiiformes--Australian salamanderfish (another 'osmeriforme' that for now, isn't). I can't believe there isn't a Yowie or something of this one...

4) Atelopodiformes. Jellynose fish

5) Percopsiformes. Trout-perch, Pirate perch, cavefishes. Again, how are there no figures of these?

6) Zeiformes. Dories & Oreos. Given that some of these are food fish, you'd think there'd be a figure...

7) Polymixiiformes. Beardfish

8. Batrachoidiformes. Toadfish. Again, it feels like there could be one out there.

So thanks in advance...if any of these can be found, it would be appreciated. If only so that I can get pointed in the right direction!

General / Re: Happy New Year!
« on: January 01, 2018, 04:01:11 PM »
Happy New Year all!

Collections / Re: Recent acquisitions
« on: December 31, 2017, 05:17:22 PM »
The first unidentified fish looks like it could be a California Sheepshead wrasse.

that first green one could also be a crude mahi mahi.

I thought of the Mahi mahi, but the dorsal fin originates too far back.

The wrasse is a possibility, but not sure about a sheephead.

Collections / Re: Recent acquisitions
« on: December 31, 2017, 03:23:10 PM »
So to end 2017, I cam across one more thing! (cross post from STS)

At a Dollar Tree, no less! Obviously some of these are yet another batch of reissued Prior (the 'bala' shark, the crab)--but some aren't (that seahorse is different, for example)

Overall, not too much to speak of--except I found yet another Climatius!

I've now got quite the school of these...!

But there are a couple others that I could use a hand with species ID's on--I'm not much for typical fish, especially marine ones.

And then, because I wanted the species and they don't exist (yet?) I took some sub-standard Replica Toy Fish figures (they were less-than perfect condition) and turned them into new species!

First, a V1 (unreleased) brook trout (looks more like a Splake to me) became a Bull trout (I hadn't noticed until I was painting that the brook trout dorsal fin is totally wrong...but I did at least smooth away the spines from the adipose fin):


And a northern pike beacame an Amur pike! Which, to me, should be called a dalmation pike. They are white or grey with black spots and blotches! And after the fact, I realized that the proportions of one of the muskellunge figures would have been better...oh well.


Mojö Fun / Re: Thylacine
« on: December 30, 2017, 03:53:21 PM »
Interesting, most of the thylacine figures I have seen have gaping mouths; maybe only a handful are being shown on the fora

Looking again, I guess it's true--of the 7 I have, 5 have a mouth open to some extent (none as wide as the SR version though). Only the Mojo and Innovative Kids is closed-mouth. My memory was apparently wrong!

Mojö Fun / Re: Thylacine
« on: December 29, 2017, 04:55:07 PM »
I always liked this figure because it shows that the thylacine, and all predators, do not have to be sculpted with their mouths gaping open all...the...time!

Of all the ones I have (4? 6?) only the Southlands Replica has an open mouth--but in this case, it's to highlight the ridiculously wide gape, which makes sense! Couple that with the CollectA, showing a female with large young in pouch, and thylacines have some of the most varied representations of animal figures (given how many lion figures are made, you'd think there'd be more poses than 'walking' or 'standing', for example).

Cool figure...though it is funny that they couldn't be bothered to at least remove the name from the original figure, if not remould that part.

As for the Yowies Katipo, it is the al-black version:

No red there...and it isn't much to put together either. Given how they often made very colourful figures, this one is almost disappointing in it's monochromatic form!

Animal toy lines / Re: Toy Fish Factory has arrived!
« on: December 17, 2017, 04:03:29 PM »
These are neat Sean. Any chance this company might branch out a little to the freshwater/brackish crustaceans (e.g., crayfish?).

None whatsoever. He's all about fish (and mostly freshwater fish; and modern, not prehistoric fish...)

I'm seeing some real potential here, though I feel Replica Toy Fish had more interesting species choices and I preferred the release format of varying sizes over themed sets. I like the original material, it's hard and sturdy but not so hard it's brittle and fragile like some gashapon figures. Hope this one isn't too much softer.

I assume you're going to be stocking these? I may wait until there are a few more sets and then get them in one go.

And I agree that RTF came out of the gate with a good range; I think the current plan is to straddle that line with worldwide 'exciting' and notable fish; and North American-focused popular fish. Still heavier on the game fish than the non-game fish, but I'll take it.

The material is soft enoigh to bend at the caudal peduncle and fins, but they don't fold or twist or anything like that. It probably means less risk of breakage if they hit the floor hard (I've handled hundreds of the RTF ones and never saw that mind you...)

I am hoping to carry them--his minimums and costs for wholesale are pretty high, so I have to work things out. I run a small operation, and his requirements mean I'd be sinking 10% of my inventory costs into 2 products...but I want to have them in. Plus, the price is tougher; each box set is 5 figures; the Monsters is $15 USD, the Angler is $10USD. Canadian exchange would turn that into $13 and $19-$20. Business deciding is hard...! ;)

It's a catch-22 here; he needs the sales of the first boxes to fund the next boxes; but people will tend to wait to get the next boxes all at once. Personally, I would not have advertised all of the planned sets just yet, maybe a few teaser 'coming up ones'. But that's just how I roll.

I do know that his goal is to have these stocked in stores, especially sporting goods stores. I really hope he can pull that off, because the presentation is great. I just wish that the boxes came with binomial names and even a tiny bit of info on the animals; give it that 'education' angle people like to see with animal models. Even to do it for his website (like Safari--tiny bit on the tag, more on the site!). I even offered to write copy for him.

Animal toy lines / Toy Fish Factory has arrived!
« on: December 16, 2017, 11:51:40 PM »
Good news everyone! I received my first few sets of the new Toy Fish Factory!

The River Monsters are of course the big splash, but the American Angler series is good too. it's easier to compare the latter series to the original RTF series. The sculpts are very similar (maybe the same sculpts, if not molds?) but the paint jobs are a little different.

Really big difference is the material--the new TFF line is much softer material, so there is a little flex to them. The orignal RTF figures, as anyone that has any would know, are a very solid PVC material that doesn't bend.

But enough words---pictures!

Set 2: American Angler[/u]

Channel catfish:

Crappie (probably a White Crappie, unlike the RTF that was more like a black crappie due to the speckled markings...still hard to know for sure)

Largemouth bass:

Striped bass:


And Set 1: River Monsters (I did them in reverse order for the dramatic reveal!)

Giant Snakehead:

Piranha (probably red-bellied, although the tail colour and orange belly are more like Serrasalmus altipinus):

Goliath Tigerfish:

Arapaima (it's a little long-finned, but nice. enough. Maybe there's a longer-finned species?):

Goonch catfish:

One thing that isn't easily clear in the photos--in the goonch and snakehead, the teeth are clearly sculpted and visible. But the figures are small, so it's harded to see in photos!

Animal groups / Re: Plankton and Protozoa
« on: December 15, 2017, 02:09:23 PM »

These were offered for sale to me, but since they appeared to be the same as the main set, I decided to leave them for someone else. Glad they went to you stemturtle!!!!

Bmathison1972, I appreciate your consideration.
"We are a friendly and open community..."  :)

That's crazy that the figures were released...with loops! Of course, the first version had goo in a jar, so clearly that was a period of 'experimentation' from Epoch!

Animal groups / Re: Lovely Salamanders
« on: December 12, 2017, 01:53:12 PM »
A few weeks ago I was finally able to get one of those big K&M salamanders at a shop in the Zoo in Dortmund, they had two versions, Tiger and Red Salamander, both with the annoying forked tongue. I bought the Tiger Salamander. Wait, it's not shown in this thread? I'll need a photo of mine, soon...

I know I have seen all 3 of the large and the medium; I have put up photos of the two former and three latter that I have. Don't recall the third one--if it is a tiger, that would be kind of neat, since they don't actually show up much as figures!

Well, so I'll just show how mine looks like... not the best representation, obviously, but still:

It differs a lot from the one stemturtle showed in his walk-around here:

I don't think they always had the best quality control on their paint jobs! But I seem to recall that the one I saw was even more green.

Animal groups / Re: Lovely Salamanders
« on: December 09, 2017, 05:50:57 PM »
A few weeks ago I was finally able to get one of those big K&M salamanders at a shop in the Zoo in Dortmund, they had two versions, Tiger and Red Salamander, both with the annoying forked tongue. I bought the Tiger Salamander. Wait, it's not shown in this thread? I'll need a photo of mine, soon...

I know I have seen all 3 of the large and the medium; I have put up photos of the two former and three latter that I have. Don't recall the third one--if it is a tiger, that would be kind of neat, since they don't actually show up much as figures!

New for 2018 / Re: Safari - New for 2018
« on: December 05, 2017, 01:44:09 PM »
After all this time, I only just noticed that the Manta on page one is labelled Manta sp. The Safari site actually declares it to definitively be the 'Giant Ocean Manta', Manta birsotris (as opposed to Manta alfredi).

Which, based on articles from the summer, might be changed to Mobula birostris due to DNA analysis. At least Safari got ahead of the curve on the species differentiations!

Animal groups / Re: Lovely Salamanders
« on: November 29, 2017, 04:15:09 AM »
We include the caecilians on the salamander thread because the two figures from COG are the only examples of extant apodans. My set is called Itsty Bitsy Bucket of Reptiles. Thanks to sbell for posting the photos. Let's mention an extinct species of Gymnophiona too.

Eocaecilia micropodia (†) (Shapeways)

Eocaecilia, from the Jurassic of Arizona, is available on Shapeways . It has some features that are lacking in the caecilians from COG.
The snout is pointed, there is the hint of a mouth, and there is the suggestion of tentacles between the eyes and nostrils.

Is that the same series as K&M's Itsy Bitsy Bucket of... series? I ask because they have an insect bucket I have seen but not yet pursued.

I've had several of the COG buckets (bought at a dollar store) and itsy buckets; they use the same buckets, but generally not he same figures.

And yes, the marine animals were also pretty unique--as were the dinosaurs (Montanoceratops!). But I don't have most of them anymore...

Also, I do have the Eocaecilia as well, but I figured someone would have a painted one!

Animal groups / Re: Lovely Salamanders
« on: November 28, 2017, 01:11:14 AM »
There are really lots of salamander many are kind of generic though, and still miss much of their diversity.

But sometimes there are weird little sets that really do well!

Like these ones from a COG set called "Cool Reptiles":

Kind of indistinct, but nifty (and small).

But the same set came wtih two even more unusual animals--a couple of (probably) caecillians!

(not exactly Kaiyodo-level...but for a weird, cheap set it was a treat to find these in a reptiles & amphibians set. That didn't include any frogs or turtles!).

New for 2018 / Re: Safari - New for 2018
« on: November 26, 2017, 02:44:31 PM »
Now that Safari, CollectA, Bullyland, and Schleich have their 2018 lineups, I think for a second year in a row Safari is the overall winner taking into account diversity and appearance. It's funny, a few years ago I felt it was the opposite, with CollectA leading the way (CollectA might be in a transitional state; we will get a better idea of where they are going a year from now when 2019 is revealed...), but Safari has stepped it up in recent years.

Take this year's IC line: mammal, bird, fish, amphibian, reptile, arthropod (2 of the last one!). Every major higher taxon represented! I have noticed Safari has fused some of their lines, and that what's left of the Hidden Kingdom Insects line is now merged with the IC line. This could be to my benefit, as if they continue like they did this year with at least one figure from each broad group, I could see more of my focus group :)

Now, don't get me wrong, every year Safari puts out multiple gems, I just feel like 2017 and 2018 are taking these further than recent years.

Now I understand my focus group is probably the least popular, and I don't expect companies to put them out every year, but when you consider insects are the largest class of animals, and arthropods the largest phylum (in the old hierarchy), in the entire history of the IC line there has been one insect and no arachnids (before 2018, and the 2018 arachnid will be the same sculpt as an old HK figure). There have been a small handful of crustaceans/horseshoe crab, but only 1 insect/arachnid.

I will have to afree, but with the caveat that, as always, eveyone ignores freshwater organisms almost entirely. And this year is no different. Which is why Replica Toy Fish's new line needs to get themsleves going properly! least Safari keeps their horses to a small part of their overall line...they are the only one that does anymore. (Of the companies that matter).

New for 2018 / Re: Schleich's - New for 2018
« on: November 26, 2017, 03:16:49 AM »
So, am I going with the dinos, or we are finished like this?

You can probably be done. The Prehistoric stuff belongs on the DTF anyway.

As for horses...most of us are wildlife collectors--but horse collectors are an entirely different breed; thanks to Breyer, they have been 'a thing' for decades longer than whatever we do--I remember an aunt and uncle, 35 years ago, had dozens of them across a high mantle on their shelf (since sold...which is sad, becuase they'd have been worth a small fortune). It was an existing community before the internet or even fax machines were common.

So the short answer Also, CollectA has an agreement with Reeves International (AKA jerks that mostly sell horses in North America) which has really bumped up their horse model numbers--and Schleich does not like to risk any market share loss.

New for 2018 / Re: Schleich's - New for 2018
« on: November 25, 2017, 02:51:10 PM »
There is nothing here for me at all...sad.

Even that great white...the newer Safari or CollectA ones are hundreds of times better.

New for 2018 / Re: CollectA - New for 2018
« on: November 24, 2017, 04:23:52 AM »
So..they sign an agreement with a North American distibutor that is interested almost entirely in horses and farm...and we get a whole bunch of horses and a farm tube. Go figure.

The civet looks great though, so I'll have to figure out a way to get that. The way things currently are, probably Taobao!

Collections / Re: Recent acquisitions
« on: November 23, 2017, 05:57:50 PM »
If this is the same Savage Gear brand I know I'm pretty sure they aren't 3D printed in the soft material but rather the masters are 3D printed and then cast.

Sorry, yeah, that's it--the scan the fish to get a 'true shape' and then make them in their wiggly rubber!

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